systems free version?

swarfendor437 · 2024-12-15 11:02

Any chance that there could be a systemd-free version? It would make the OS even lighter than it already is.

Midas · 2024-12-15 16:40

@swarfendor437: better correct your post subject for clarity, "systems" doesn't make much sense...

And I'd be interested in that, too -- but considering the current systemd integration depth & breadth, I don't see much hope.

Alternatively, a recipe for Q4OS Trinity setup over Devuan would be equally appreciated.

q4osteam · 2024-12-15 19:16

Did you try setup Q4OS on Devuan this way ? https://www.q4os.org/dqa017.html

bin · 2024-12-16 08:05

If you like devuan and TDE then you might want to look at exegnu - it's devuan with Trinity Desktop https://exegnulinux.net/ This does not include any Q4OS goodies.

Midas · 2024-12-17 12:06

q4osteam wrote:

Did you try setup Q4OS on Devuan this way ?

Not really, no. It must have slipped my attention. I will then ASAP. Thanks.

Midas · 2024-12-17 12:09

bin wrote:

exegnu - it's devuan with Trinity Desktop https://exegnulinux.net/

Downloaded it once but never tested -- probably because of the latter...

bin · 2024-12-17 13:45

q4osteam wrote:

Did you try setup Q4OS on Devuan this way ? https://www.q4os.org/dqa017.html

Thought I'd give this a whirl using Deviuan netinstall as a starting point to get a clean system.

Running in virtualbox using legacy partition layout (not GPT)
Netinstall ran exactly the same as a normal Debian CLI install.
When setting up the user, bypass the setting of the root password - this then disables the root account and so stuff can run under sudo as normal.
When you're asked about the desktop environment uncheck everything except the bottom item - standard system utilities.
Follow the installer through - if you've never done a Debian CLI install then this is a good time to learn. The disk partitioning side is an acquired taste. Just look at what you're doing and think before pressing the button

Once you've got the basic system running you do need to install gnupg via command line.

Then just follow the instructions provided bu the Q4OS support team above.

You wind up with a Q4OS Plasma desktop.

Couple of things for Q4OS Team:-
Please can you script the setting of default SDDM to Breeze. On Devuan you get a white screen with a password box which is from devuan and may confuse....
Secondly do you think you could find a way to make all the additional noto fonts a selectable option please? It's a real pain having to go through and dump about 200 mb of unwanted cjk font stuff.....

Other than that it all seemed to work very well - so thanks for that. I'll try it on a laptop some time to se how it goes in hardware.

Last edited by bin (2024-12-18 12:30)

q4osteam · 2024-12-17 15:42

@bin
Thanks for the feedback, we will check the glitches you mentioned.

bin · 2024-12-18 14:57

Today I have tried the same with an Acer Aspire 6930G laptop - venerable but very functional.

Install went as expected - until we got to the network detection where it wanted to download a file registry.db or provide from media.

I just hit continue (actually I think it was No - on the right of the screen) and it took me through to configuring the wireless network having picked up the SSID OK - it runs an Intel 5100 card with iwlwifi and the Q4OS install all ran quite happily. That was saved over the final reboot.

By default running Plasma Wayland on the Nvidia 9600M GT chip

The only puzzle I have is that I have wifi - but the system tray network utility says 'No Wireless' . Now, I can browse the web, ping stuff etc etc so I do disagree with that.

If I down and up ifconfig it dumps the dhcp address and gets a new one - so it works for sure.

nmtui just shows eth0 - which is not connected and nmcli does at least show the wifi - but as unmanaged.

I think I'll try running a normal devuan KDE install and see what happens out of interest.

Last edited by bin (2024-12-20 08:01)

bin · 2024-12-19 07:53

OK so I installed a full devuan version via netinstall.

The wifi system tray issue does not occur - everything works as expected.
another thing I had noted in the Q4OS over devuan install was that sound was always muted on start up.
In the full devuan only version it is not.

The issue with SDDM is also there with the full devuan version. If you go to settings the Breeze SDDM them is already highlighted, but you have to re-select it and apply to get it to work. It's almost as if it is not properly attached to the use config.

The devuan version 'seems' to be running at about 150mb ram higher than straight Q4OS Debian, but as it installs kmail and loads of other unwanted stuff it may well be possible to reduce that.

Last edited by bin (2024-12-19 07:55)

Midas · 2024-12-19 14:20

Thanks bin, for all your insight (and hand-holding) on how to do this -- it'll surely be a life saver for noobs like myself.

swarfendor437 · 2024-12-29 23:50

q4osteam wrote:

Did you try setup Q4OS on Devuan this way ? https://www.q4os.org/dqa017.html

That is interesting. I left Devuan behind after I discovered it is not entirely systemd free when it comes to the Plasma desktop as it has remnants of elogind! That is why I went to PCLinuxOS. They have just released a Debian version, systemd free but the only thing stopping me using it is a lack of virt-manager.

tlmiller76 · 2025-01-01 05:02

elogind isn't systemd. It's what was created specifically to be able to function without systemd to provide the same features as the systemd logind.

crosscourt · 2025-01-02 03:30

Swarfendor437, Ive been using PCLinuxOS Debian for awhile and its really nice and definitely System d free. If anyone looks at it be sure to install the printer-driver-all meta package or youre printer may not be seen. Many nice features like the software center, enhanced simple update notifier and browser installer. It presently is still using KDE 5.27.5 which I prefer for now. Its a much smoother experience than the original PCLinuxOS. Its also feels very fast and has a clean and easy to navigate GUI. Doesnt have a huge amount of apps install and you can use their provided installers to add office apps or Synaptic to add more apps.

Virt-manager is available as I checked in Synaptic package manager and some are using it and posted in the forums.

Last edited by crosscourt (2025-01-02 05:07)

crosscourt · Yesterday 22:36

Nice to see you tlmiller! People really freak out about elogind not realizing what you were describing. Just read a thread in the antiX forums screaming about elogind and how they would never use a distro with it.

tlmiller76 · Today 02:18

crosscourt wrote:

Nice to see you tlmiller! People really freak out about elogind not realizing what you were describing. Just read a thread in the antiX forums screaming about elogind and how they would never use a distro with it.

Yeah, pretty common. IMO, if you obviously understand systemd so little that you don't even understand what IS and IS NOT a part of it, eh...you're opinion is a little....useless. But hey, to each their own, right???

crosscourt · Today 03:12

LOL!!! Well said!

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