Tar and .Tgz files

CaptNoize · 2017-10-26 21:36

In my limited knowledge of command line,is it possible for me to install a .tgz file...? Or do they all have to be .deb files...? If so,what would the command be for that. I had an update sent to me via Vue Scan...it downloaded as a .tgz file. I tried installing it with sudo apt-get -f install. Said it couldn't find the file.

crosscourt · 2017-10-26 22:09

Look here, www.lifewire.com/what-are-tgz-gz-files-2622391

Dai_trying · 2017-10-26 22:44

You usually find that downloads that are tar.gz or similar are source files and usually need to be compiled. Although sometimes you can download a package that is compressed (palemoom and firefox for example) and you can simply unpack them and run the executable to start the program itself, but you would have to read the installation instructions for each package to figure out which option you need. Unfortunately there is no defacto standard with packages.

crosscourt · 2017-10-27 00:17

Its a pain frankly as it lacks consistency but thankfully, havent had too many issues so far.

CaptNoize · 2017-10-27 01:53

It's becoming painfully more intense just to install a program....ugh..!

crosscourt · 2017-10-27 02:07

Down the road other methods will be used like Snap and Flatpack to name a few.

tlmiller76 · 2017-10-27 02:27

crosscourt wrote:

Down the road other methods will be used like Snap and Flatpack to name a few.

I've been using some flatpacks just to play around, I'm definitely digging how easy it is once you get it set up to use.

crosscourt · 2017-10-27 02:39

I wasnt wild about Flatpack/Snap to start but its starting to grow on me.

CaptNoize · 2017-10-27 04:12

Do tell....I'm not aware of these....can you direct me...?

Dai_trying · 2017-10-27 11:44

I'm not a fan of them as they drag in too much cruft, but they do have their merits for many users.

crosscourt · 2017-10-27 16:22

Look here Capt, www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixWuE1hhZfw

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CaptNoize · 2017-10-27 17:33

Thanks CC...!
I'll check it out...!

crosscourt · 2017-10-27 19:53

tlmiller76 · 2017-10-27 21:42

Dai_trying wrote:

I'm not a fan of them as they drag in too much cruft, but they do have their merits for many users.

They do have a tendency to be much larger due to having their own libraries, but if Linux is EVER going to have a chance to be a viable alternative to the ORDINARY USER, then they're very needed. Develop your software, release it in a flatpak (or snap pack), and it doesn't matter WHAT linux you use, it just WORKS, much like Windows. Right now this is the major thing that prevents many companies from even botherine with linux software, is the fact that you have to develop it for Debian, Fedora, CentOS, Arch, etc. So they just don't bother at all. Whichever of these technologies becomes the most popular will make that no longer an issue (and hopefully we do have just 1 become the standard). No guarantees it happens, no guarantees that it works as well as it could because of so many competing technologies, but it would be great it if worked, IMO.

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Dai_trying · 2017-10-27 21:55

Yes, I understand it's merits, but if you use 3 or 4 flatpaks/snaps, then you could have 3 or 4 lots of the same dependencies each can only be used for that single application and with the snaps you MUST have the ubuntu core installed and that alone puts me off. But like I said I can see the merits, but I will not be using either of them, if I need a package that badly I can always compile it myself as most software sources (along with compile instructions) are available direct from the developers.
I'm not saying they are a bad thing for the general population, I'm just saying that I don't like them and therefore wont use them.

crosscourt · 2017-10-27 22:35

I have mixed feelings and Dai explained pretty much my complaints but agree with tlmiller as down the road Linux needs something like this.

CaptNoize · 2017-10-28 01:14

This is ALL above my pay grade..! I'm just the ordinary user.

crosscourt · 2017-10-28 01:52

Hey Capt, having a standardized method of installing apps would greatly help Linux become more mainstream. For the many that already use it and are comfortable with the status quo it seems like something thats unnecessary and complicated.

CaptNoize · 2017-10-28 03:45

Oh... I TOTALLY agree,but, in the here and now,it looks like I'd need to take classes in Linux command line protocol. Most,however,just want a quick fix,a " get to the point" solution.

crosscourt · 2017-10-28 04:02

Actually, once this becomes the norm youll click and install apps very easily. All the work is done ahead of time.

CaptNoize · 2017-10-28 14:31

So,when will this be available...? Do any distros feature this now..?

Dai_trying · 2017-10-28 15:58

You would need to install snapd (for snap packages) or flatpak (for flatpak packages) and then you can install available packages according to the information on either the flatpak website or the snapcraft website.

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crosscourt · 2017-10-28 17:26

A number of distros are offering it directly like Ubuntu and Fedora. The issue is not all apps are supported yet but its coming.

CaptNoize · 2017-10-28 20:58

So...of the 2, which would you recommend...? Or should I install both...? That seems a little redundant...

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crosscourt · 2017-10-28 21:10

Flatpak is a bit more common being used by a number of distros but dont have enough experience with either to say which is the best choice.

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