Sparky Aptus to Q4OS

VegaLinuxQ4 · 2025-02-09 12:55

Dear Q4OS team...

From many Distros I've tested & tasted, I've found 2 Superb Tools/Features, 1 is Mx Tools that already Patchable to Q4OS with Easily Q4OS Self Installer, nicely done (I've tested almost all the functions and I can report that i haven't found any bugs till now).

Now about the 2nd is Aptus from Sparky :
https://sparkylinux.org/sparky-aptus-on … nd-ubuntu/

*I've tried to add it to Q4OS but failed at the step 4 (apt won't update, some message in the terminal show failed to added repo something-I've forgot to record the error message)

This Aptus is really fun & easy snappy to use, Allow user to taste many DEs & WMs easly, I think if Q4OS want to make it Self Installable (.QSI) like has done to Mx Tools, then Q4OS will be more more rise to the higher values of being most Attractive Rich Features Distro.

So I want to request please make Aptus Self Installer to Q4OS please...

Thanks

Last edited by VegaLinuxQ4 (2025-02-09 12:58)

hchiper · 2025-02-09 14:15

VegaLinuxQ4 wrote:

*I've tried to add it to Q4OS but failed at the step 4 (apt won't update, some message in the terminal show failed to added repo something-I've forgot to record the error message)

If you're still ready to install it from the command line, please try again and post the error message.

VegaLinuxQ4 · 2025-02-09 14:28

hchiper wrote:

VegaLinuxQ4 wrote:
*I've tried to add it to Q4OS but failed at the step 4 (apt won't update, some message in the terminal show failed to added repo something-I've forgot to record the error message)
If you're still ready to install it from the command line, please try again and post the error message.

Yes I can, and I have tried and looking for any solving about that failed message through anywhere that have the same problem, but still have not found fix yet.
I understand what you mean, but in this thread my point is about request for Q4OS-APTus.QSI thing.

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q4osteam · 2025-02-09 18:24

We do not recommend adding the Sparky repositories in Q4OS. We cannot guarantee that the Sparky repositories will not break Apt packages dependencies, as they may be incompatible.

VegaLinuxQ4 · 2025-02-09 21:22

q4osteam wrote:

We do not recommend adding the Sparky repositories in Q4OS. We cannot guarantee that the Sparky repositories will not break Apt packages dependencies, as they may be incompatible.

It was released for Debian in general, and sparky based on debian stable too. At least maybe we can test it first and I will be willing to be a tester, if there are problems and incompatibility issue I will report and I won't blame anyone. So then we know how possibility to port it to Q4OS. We will never know if we never try and test it right? I already love using Q4OS to be my daily and even more enthusiast to use Q4OS at another higher level.
MX tools more complicated with more multiple Repos included but has nicely done ported to Q4OS, while APTus more simple, will APTus have a chance? I'm sure it won't be hard to do with your capability. please..:)

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crosscourt · 2025-02-09 21:30

Agree with the devs, as it may cause stability issues and everything will eventually have to be tested by the devs before it can be used. Keeping things measured is a lot easier for the devs rather than having to backtrack issues all the time.

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VegaLinuxQ4 · 2025-02-09 21:39

crosscourt wrote:

Agree with the devs, as it may causes stability issues and everything will eventually have to be tested by the devs before it can be used. Keeping things measured is a lot easier for the devs rather than having to backtrack issues all the time.

If u read carefully or understand what I've told, u should notice that i have mentioned about TESTING, and none of words talk about to be release to users before tested. If keep thinking that low then will just move to nowhere...

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q4osteam · 2025-02-09 21:53

@VegaLinuxQ4
The problem is, adding such external repositories could bring some hidden issues that may, but must not, show at random anytime later. Then one tends to blame the original OS.

crosscourt · 2025-02-09 22:04

Exactly, as the reputation of a given distro is important. Progress will happen but it needs to be measured. The devs ultimately will be doing the testing of new features, with added input from members who will give feedback.

VegaLinuxQ4 · 2025-02-10 04:10

q4osteam wrote:

@VegaLinuxQ4
The problem is, adding such external repositories could bring some hidden issues that may, but must not, show at random anytime later. Then one tends to blame the original OS.

I understand, everything have possibilities that may be or may not.
Actually I have said before that I am willing to be a Tester and WON'T blame anyone nor Q4OS if get something incompatibility issues anytime later. That's mean you can send me the experimental installer and no need to publication release. But If you don't want to it doesn't really matter for me. Rather than just being a member/user who can only reply to any thread with nonsense words that contained nothing but junky wasty post 's reply, Me I just like to be a usermember who may give an idea to see & get improvement possibility to Q4OS. thank for your attention then... maybe I will try by my self if not getting advance support from u.

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crosscourt · 2025-02-10 04:20

Nonsense words???? The members in this forum contribute thru those replies and all replies are useful, including yours. Members have put a lot of time into making sure users are helped onsite regardless of the reply.
Members when new features launch or new versions of Q4OS come out, contribute thru their use to aid devs with problems they spot.

VegaLinuxQ4 · 2025-02-10 04:55

crosscourt wrote:

Nonsense words???? The members in this forum contribute thru those replies and all replies are useful, including yours. Members have put a lot of time into making sure users are helped onsite regardless of the reply.
Members when new features launch or new versions of Q4OS come out, contribute thru their use to aid devs with problems they spot.

Whats wrong with u? why are you triggered and offended? I was talk to Dev about me dont want to be useless member who just reply nonse but to be a usefull use/member who may offer an idea for possibility. u need to read it clearly. r u ok?

crosscourt · 2025-02-10 04:59

Im not offended in any way. Im just saying that all replies from members are good and there arent any nonsense words as you put it. We all contribute to the success of Q4OS in our own way and hope you find your path in the future. Testing and support are vital to the success of any distro. Take a deep breath its all good,

VegaLinuxQ4 · 2025-02-10 05:08

crosscourt wrote:

Im not offended in any way. Im just saying that all replies from members are good and there arent any nonsense words as you put it. We all contribute to the success of Q4OS in our own way and hope you find your path in the future. Testing and support are vital to the success of any distro. Take a deep breath its all good,

That's "thorny words" may be a kind of motivation or booster at least for me, and i'm not talking about any other members, I've mentioned as "Me" not "We" or "They"
Btw, Everyone will take their part & path on their own, it's naturally as human being.
About "contribute in our way", "Testing/support", I've mentioned it before at the beginning, glad finally u've got, it so its good, lets just take our part to this forum with our unique own way
Then here nothing necessary for further pointing except about my "request topic" from the Dev. thats the point in this thread

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hchiper · 2025-02-10 09:30

Q4osteam's answer was clear (no .qsi for APTus will be developed) and motivated (risk of stability without thorough testing).

These tests should be made on a wide variety of configurations (Q4OS versions, desktop environments, computer architectures, potentially conflicting packages in Debian and Q4OS repos...). They are not within the reach of a normal user and Q4OSteam cannot assume responsibility for tests carried out by a third party.

Not to speak that APTus might be a proprietary package (I found that Sparky is indeed not entirely under GPL licence, but no further precisions regarding which packages).

bin · 2025-02-10 10:17

I have used Sparky a lot in the past, and still have it as a VM running WP Local for Wordpress testing.
One of the things I discovered with Sparky whilst trying to get unattended-upgrades working is that they do actually have a lot of changes under the hood from a standard Debian distro.
A quick look at aptus on Sparky reveals that the desktop icon runs:-
Exec=remsu /usr/bin/sparky-aptus-appcenter - which does some checking, makes sure it can connect to sparkylinux.org then runs:-
/usr/lib/sparky-aptus-appcenter
./aptus-appcenter - which creates a whole structure of YAD windows pointing to local html files which then point off to more local files for the individual selections................ and so it goes.

Aptus is a useful tool but in the end all it is doing is pulling together some simple stuff that you can do with the existing tools in Debian if you simply take the time and trouble to learn. For example you cite DE installation. Well, Q4OS already provides you with the tools to install other DEs via the profiler. OK Sparky, has more of the fringe/less popular ones as well as mainstream, but installing them is just a case of looking in synaptic to start with.

As regards the script you found - I think it illustrates perfectly the reasons why you should be vary wary of just following random scripts from the web. It also illustrates the value and importance of capturing error messages.

If you really want to add Sparky repos to your Q4OS installation then you should go to the Sparky wiki pages. https://wiki.sparkylinux.org/doku.php/repository_stable

However I have to reinforce the comments made about adding repos from different distros. You may well wind up with package conflicts so I suggest you do all this is a VM rather than your live system.

q4osteam · 2025-02-10 11:02

@VegaLinuxQ4
We understand that you would be happy to provide testing if we added some experimental Aptus framework to Q4OS and we appreciate it. Unfortunately, we do not have enough development resources at this time to make this tool verifiable and stable.

Anyway, we reiterate: Simply adding Sparky repositories to Q4OS is strongly discouraged for regular users.

VegaLinuxQ4 · 2025-02-10 18:44

* We should already know that in this OpenSource's world we know what it's called "DIYOR"

@hchiper
Yes and I already got it clearly earlier so no need to repeat, I didnt mean to push the Dev, nope, just kind of stimulation or challenge of creativity, that's my point. And that's why I don't bring the "failed log" here.

@bin
Yes you're right, I knew it, I agree with you, and yes off course there are many way to play with DEs and WMs including via synaptic or manually adding key etc... And that Sparky's wiki repo won't easily usable here.
Otherside, my main focus was not pointing to the Sparky's repo nor the "playing around with DEs" thing, but more to the "Signature tool" Idea, which I like to see if Q4OS willing to build as APTus-like or even smarter tool in the future. I stimulate this idea up here because I see potential in Q4OS which in my perspective as the "creative distro". And I may will proudly surprise if the Dev answer with "Ok, We will make our own tool rather than just porting another's tool here" (that's just my hyper Expectation)

@Q4OS Team
Again, thank u! I understand. Hope Q4OS wiling to developing kind of that tools (Mx tool, APTus, etc) or even more attractive & smart tool in the future. About the repo, nope, I actually don't need the repo. flatpak, Debian, Mx, etc's repos were more than enough for me.

Anyway, thanks all for your attention, I appreciate it

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