Q4OS 4.5 Gemini

q4osteam · 2021-05-20 07:24

The new 4.5 version brings improvements to the Calamares installer, fixes and packages updates. We can also please Trinity desktop fans as a brand new dedicated Trinity live media image is now available alongside the Plasma version.

Downloads:
https://www.q4os.org/downloads2.html

bin · 2021-05-20 12:33

Good job - thanks guys. TDE version installed and so far so good!

aluma · 2021-05-20 17:27

The very beginning of the live image q4os-4.5-x64-tde-testing.r1.iso launch, tdewificonnect "crashed and caused the signal 11".
Until now, this has not happened with previous releases.

q4osteam · 2021-05-20 19:13

Thanks, any feedback is appreciated. Did anyone notice kernel panic booting the live iso ?

bin · 2021-05-21 06:07

No problems

Dell 7040 SFF

Network:
Device-1: Intel Ethernet I219-LM driver: e1000e
Device-2: Ralink MT7601U Wireless Adapter type: USB driver: mt7601u
CPU:
Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i5-6500 bits: 64 type: MCP
L2 cache: 6144 KiB

Incidentally the Ralink USB adapter works flawlessly with linux.

aluma · 2021-05-21 09:05

The second attempt was successful, everything works OK.

But the most important and interesting thing is something else.
Until now, the GPU test hardinfo on my Lenovo s205 in a 64-bit system showed a result of about 600 ... 700 points (in 32-bit about 1300 ... 1400).

In this release, the result is 1616!
Good job, thank you!

danielson · 2021-05-21 14:43

Took 10 minutes to install on an SSD (most others about 5).

Chrome would not load (3 clicks) so downloaded Vivaldi via Konqueror.
Vivaldi only opened via link in menu (not via Discover).

Dropbox installed but could not sign in (Vivaldi set as default browser after install).
Maybe a reboot will fix this.

- - - - -

KDE iteration.

Last edited by danielson (2021-05-21 14:43)

q4osteam · 2021-05-21 15:18

@danielson
What desktop profile did you select ? The profile installation takes an extra time. What is the terminal output, if you run Chrome from the command line ?

danielson · 2021-05-21 16:30

Did the full profile (expected extra time yes, but do same with other distros).

Tried to start Chrome via icon in menu.
Haven't tried since reboot yet (not a fan of featureless Chrome).

Reboot took only 7 seconds (much faster than most) but shutdown took about 12 seconds (pretty slow).

Dropbox finally loaded with password via default Vivaldi.

q4osteam · 2021-05-21 17:19

Most of other distributions carry all of its default software on the live media and don't download and install it at install phase, they just clone the live media and then remove superfluous packages. Q4OS live media is pretty lightweight, you can select a profile to download and apply at install time. To make a valuable comparison, one should select the "Q4OS Live" profile to install, it corresponds to what other distributions do at install phase. Anyway, thanks for the feedback, does Chrome start now ?

danielson · 2021-05-21 18:47

Still no go at clicking Chrome icons via menu.

Is this the command line to try out?
$ google-chrome
If so, this is the result:
p@d:~$ /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome.q4diverted: line 49: /opt/google/chrome/chrome: No such file or directory

I never touched the app.

danielson · 2021-05-24 01:46

For the record.

Removed and installed Google Chrome again and it works.

danielson · 2021-06-07 13:58

4.5r2 testing - Chrome worked just fine right off the bat.

- - - - -

Would like to see Vivaldi as part of installable browsers.
MX and FerenOS offer a handy selection of most available in just one click (hint, hint!)

crosscourt · 2021-06-07 22:38

Using KDE version and had absolutely no issues with it, hardware listed in my signature.

bin · 2021-06-09 10:58

Sadly there is one area where it seems to be falling down and that is GTK Styles with TDE.

I have Buster + Trinity 14.0.10 running quite happily. The relevant config tools for GTK Styles are installed. I use Mate themes - TraditionalOk to provide a proper scroll slider rather than those stupid pencil thin 'things' that arrive with Firefox and other GTK apps. I've been doing this for years - no problems. Other GTK3 themes work fine with Buster + 14.0.10 as well.

However - and I assume it's Bullseye and GTK3 that are at fault here - these tools no longer seem to work with Gemini/Bullseye + TDE. Well not so much at fault - it's just the relentless GTK juggernaut smashing all before it!

I've tried editing all the config files to show the correct gtk-theme value but no difference.

Of course it may just be a bug in the interaction - or lack of it - between the Trinity tools and GTK3......and no there's nothing in any of the logs that I can see that throws any light on it.

Before I head off towards Trinity Bugland has anyone else come across this yet?

q4osteam · 2021-06-09 11:47

@bin
Do we assume correctly the issue is GTK3 applications don't use some GTK3 themes ?
Which themes work and which don't ?
How exactly did you configure TDE for GTK3 applications in order to use that themes ?

bin · 2021-06-10 05:41

Install:-
gtk-qt-engine-trinity
gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity
tde-style-qtcurve-trinity

If not already installed, add
gtk2-engines
gtk2-engines-murrine
gtk2-engines-pixbuf

Install --no-install-recommends mate-themes

Control Centre>Appearance & Themes>GTK Styles and Fonts
Select TraditionalOK from drop downs for GTK2 and GTK3 enabling 'Use other Style'

This updates the relevant config files.

Firefox-ESR is probably the best example here.
If you do this using Buster plus TDE 14.0.10 then it works as expected and FF gets the broad coloured scroll bar from the theme.
Do it with Gemini and it doesn't.

I have tried including .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini files as well inc case the redirection to trinity versions is being ignored but that doesn't seem to make a difference.

It feels as if the

My feeling is that the gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity engine(s) are just not actually doing anything in Gemini/Bullseye.

Unfortunately I have not yet been able to install vanilla Bullseye + TDE as a direct comparison - lack of release files prevents it.

q4osteam · 2021-06-14 12:08

We can confirm the issue. You could try to copy the generated GTK3 configuration file:
$ cp $HOME/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini $HOME/.configtde/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
alternatively:
$ cp $HOME/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini $HOME/.configtde/gtk-3.0/settings_trinity.ini
check Firefox scrollbars and widgets and post back.

bin · 2021-06-14 15:31

Thank you. Sadly that is a route I have already travelled for both suggestions.

It is worth noting that the gtk-theme-name entry in file $HOME/.configtde/gtk-3.0/settings_trinity.ini is not changed by the config tools. However, manual editing makes no difference. I have at various times also altered every gtk-theme-name entry in $HOME config files but with no result.

aluma · 2021-06-14 16:52

Probably a stupid assumption.

Maybe apparmor doesn't allow it?

The /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/gnome file contains the following entry:
"# per-user gtk configuration
owner @ {HOME} /. config / gtk-3.0 / * r, "

bin · 2021-06-15 06:04

Interesting idea - removed apparmor - no change

q4osteam · 2021-06-15 08:49

We are going to investigate the issue in more depth and post back a result.

q4osteam · 2021-06-15 15:34

@bin
We have fixed at least a part of this bug. Trinity didn't respect XDG configuration. Trinity GTK control center module now writes into the proper file "$HOME/.configtde/gtk-3.0/settings.ini" , so you need no manual copying of configuration files. We have tested Firefox ESR, it bears properly depending on the selected GTK3 theme. You only need to update from repositories.

bin · 2021-06-16 08:11

Thanks for the quick response.

I must admit I am puzzled at this point. I set up a fresh vm and installed
gtk-qt-engine-trinity
gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity
mate-themes

Using the config tools I selected the theme TraditionalOk for GTK2 and GTK3 alternatives.

Works OK in Thunderbird. Works OK in Mousepad.
Leafpad - needed to set the theme manually in .gtkrc-q4os - possibly an edge case

Firefox - very puzzling.
If you are in any of the menus under the hamburger - Customise, Preferences, Add-ons etc the theme works fine.

However in the main browser window the scroll bar is still the thin thing.

I did notice that whilst settings.ini shows the correct value, settings_trinity.ini keeps the Q4OS02 value for the gtk theme. Changing that made no difference.

Any thoughts please?

q4osteam · 2021-06-16 09:12

bin wrote:

I did notice that whilst settings.ini shows the correct value, settings_trinity.ini keeps the Q4OS02 value for the gtk theme. Changing that made no difference.

The "settings_trinity.ini" file isn't used anymore in Gemini, it's a remnant from Centaurus and will be removed in the stable Gemini releases. You can safely delete this file.

bin wrote:

Leafpad - needed to set the theme manually in .gtkrc-q4os - possibly an edge case

Leafpad likely uses GTK2 theme.

bin wrote:

Firefox - very puzzling.
If you are in any of the menus under the hamburger - Customise, Preferences, Add-ons etc the theme works fine.
However in the main browser window the scroll bar is still the thin thing.

We can confirm that. We would assume, Firefox uses different engines for rendering different widgets, most likely the main scrollbar uses some sort of integrated GTK engine, while others use the system theme. Does FF main scrollbar follow the configured GTK3 theme at all in other desktop environments, for ex. XFCE ?

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